Customer experience and personalisation · Episode 63 · Season 4 · ·
The Holy Grail of Marketing Is Reaching the Right Person at the Right Time
Greg Licciardi, author of The Holy Grail of Marketing and professor at Fordham and Seton Hall, on why a Wendy's Friday ad epiphany sparked a framework for marketing success, why AI optimisation without brand ethos produces nothing lasting, and what Harry's Razors, e.l.f. Skincare, and the Weather Company reveal about doing modern marketing right.
Greg Licciardi, VP Sponsorships & Partner Programs, ANA. In conversation with Justin Cooke.
The Holy Grail of Marketing Is Reaching the Right Person at the Right Time
0:0031:00Why a Wendy's social ad inspired a marketing framework and why AI optimisation without brand ethos produces nothing lasting
Greg Licciardi has spent his career in advertising and marketing across television, print, digital, and technology platforms. He teaches at Fordham University and Seton Hall University and is the author of The Holy Grail of Marketing, a book that distils his framework for marketing success into five deceptively simple truths built around reaching the right person, with the right message, at the right time, in the right environment, for the right outcome.
In this conversation he explains how a Wendy's social media ad appearing every Friday at 11am sparked the book, what Harry's Razors, e.l.f. Skincare, and the Weather Company teach about applying the framework in practice, and why the most important chapter in the book is the one on brand ethos: the warning that as brands race to adopt AI, what is being lost is the emotional connection with the consumer that all the optimisation was supposed to serve.
How did the book come about?
“Coming out of the pandemic, I became a Wendy's addict. Every Friday around 11am I started receiving Wendy's ads in my social feed. I said to myself: this is the Holy Grail. They are reaching the right person. They know I have been in. The right message. The timing is impeccable right before lunch. The right environment. The right outcome: I am not going to McDonald's, I am going back to Wendy's.”
The epiphany that is both very ordinary and analytically precise.
Tell me about Harry's Razors
“They launched against Gillette with 67% market share. When you are going up against the Goliath you are forced to innovate. They used their early customers as disciples who went out and spread the word. They used gamification. High-engagement marketing in high-engagement environments. Simple USP: stylish, affordable razor delivered to your door. Iterative. Real time. No shortcuts.”
The David and Goliath story as a framework illustration.
Tell me about the e.l.f. Skincare story
“e.l.f. is the fastest-growing beauty brand. 35% year-over-year growth for four years. They work with the Weather Company. The insight was contextual: reach the right person at the right time using weather data. If you know it is going to rain tomorrow, you know who needs skincare and when. That is the framework working perfectly.”
The Weather Company example as right-time marketing in practice.
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“As brands are being dazzled by AI, what is being lost is the emotional connection they have with their consumer. That is so important. One of the most senior AI leaders at Microsoft told me: it is so important that you are going beyond just AI and optimisation because if that human element is lost, your brand will be washed away.”
The most important warning in the whole book.
What is the beyond in your subtitle, AI and beyond?
“The beyond is really important. It is brand purpose, brand ethos, the human element in your marketing. Optimise with AI across all five dimensions. But never lose the reason why your brand exists and the emotional connection it has with the consumer. Without that, all the optimisation produces nothing that lasts.”
The synthesis of the book's argument.
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Justin Cooke Tell us about The Holy Grail of Marketing.
Greg Licciardi Wendy's. Every Friday at 11am I would receive their ads in my social feed. I said: this is the Holy Grail. Right person. Right message. Right timing right before lunch. Right environment. Right outcome: I kept going back to Wendy's, not McDonald's. I built the framework from that and researched Harry's Razors, e.l.f. Skincare, the Weather Company.
Justin Cooke What is the beyond in your subtitle?
Greg Licciardi Brand ethos. Brand purpose. The human element. As brands are being dazzled by AI, what is being lost is the emotional connection with the consumer. A senior Microsoft AI leader told me: if that human element is lost, your brand will be washed away. That is the most important chapter in the book.
