Episode 98 · 25 min
The New Currency
Milka PrivodanovaVP Marketing Solutions, Large Customers International“60 to 70% of an ad’s effectiveness is the creative.”
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Milka PrivodanovaVP Marketing Solutions, Large Customers International“60 to 70% of an ad’s effectiveness is the creative.”
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Julie SelmanSVP Head of EMEA“Trust is fundamental. Every transaction is built on it.”
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Toby SouthgateGlobal Group CEO, We Are Social “The worst thing you can do is be ignorable.”
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Andrew McCormickformer Chief Growth Officer“The best client you can have is one you already have.”
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Andrew BialeckiCo-CEO and Co-Founder“The brands that were profitable when they went public showed us it was possible. Why couldn't we do the same?”
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Stephanie Dittmer RogersEVP of Marketing“History of Innovation. That is the way we think about things. We want to honour that tradition and continue to move it forward.”









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Episodes are grouped into six areas: AI, brand and creativity, customers and growth, media and advertising, data and measurement, and leadership and organisation. Topics within them include AI search and agents, measurement and effectiveness, brand building, B2B demand and pipeline, retail and commerce media, connected TV and streaming, creators and influencer marketing, and the CMO and the boardroom.
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